Why is it always the green? Looking for advice to cover up stained hair that cant handle any more bleachPosted 1 week, 3 days ago
Hello everyone :)
I have been coming to these forums as a guest for a while and have learnt a lot from all of you.
I have searched a lot through old threads, but sort of need a bit of personalised advice, if that is alright.
Like so many, I messed up my hair during lockdown. I bleached it, what now seems many moons ago. Dyed it all sorts of colours, until mixing Manic Panic After Midnight and Enchanted Forest about 3 months ago.
I have been force fading my hair ever since and after many vitamin C treatments, bicarb, clarifying shampoo caps, colour B4, dying over it with fluorescent orange Manic Panic and most recently the shampoo, oils, bleach powder method, I have come to the conclusion that my hair is well and truly stained a pastel slightly minty/acidic/olive green.
My stylist tried lifting the green with bleach (test strand) and it just broke.
I am very nervous about even using toners with developer to fix this, so was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a direct dye I could use instead.
I will have my hair chopped professionally (chin length, layered), possibly even have an olaplex treatment. It is just so dry.
I would like to match my natural level 6 ash brown colour if possible, and was wondering if Adore chocolate brown would work for that. I read that it is purple based, which technically should go over the greenish blonde I have now. Would it be too dark to use straight on? Would Medium brown be better? I think I look bad in really warm tones, such as orange (pale olive skin)
I apologise for the many questions...I am just so frustrated to see that this green has defeated me.
And just for a laugh, I was hoping to achieve a charcoal like tone after this green, but have now accepted that it's not going to happen. .unless.... Maybe when I have managed to grow this out :(. I do not want to have to bleach my hair, even after this has grown out. I think my hair texture is just to dry/fine for it...otherwise I don't know why it would be in such a state.
Anyways, thank you so much, if you are still with me :).
by AndyaPosted 1 week, 3 days ago
Well I think you did a great job of getting rid of the green. I really can hardly see any if even at all of any green. Charcoal is a dark color and do not think will really be a problem covering over the current ends or the roots of the hair color in the picture.
Regarding removing extremely light green, one method I use is a red based shampoo like Quantum Reds found in the United States at Sally's Beauty Supply. One other method to tone out any green remaining is a large amount of conditioner and a very small amount maybe 1/2 a finger nail amount of medium pink semi-permanent dye mixed well into the conditioner.
Anything used on the mid length and ends to hide the extremely light green would strongly suggest a strand test on a very small section of the hair first. Strand tests help determine the results on a very small section of hair before applying any product all over.
These are my suggestions and opinion.
Posted 1 week, 3 days ago
Thank you Andya :). I appreciate that you have taken the time to respond!
I do have some Adore Hot Pink, which I was considering adding to, or using to tone out the green before applying another colour. Maybe it's the fact that I have been trying to remove this green for so long and nothing short of an explosion seems to want to get rid of it, but it just looks so damn green to me, more so in real life than in the picture, but it could be the indoor lighting and my perception of my swampy foe ??.
I saw some Crazy Colour Red Conditioner for about £6 online, but since I already have the pink dye, I might just do that.
Would you use it to tone first , in sort of a 2 step process, or simply add to the colour I will settle on? Or would any colour be strong enough to cover this mess, without the added step, due to it being so light?
My base definitely is too patchy for blonde since my hair was the darkest of teal before fading, plus there are a couple of uneven spots from the bleaching.
My stylist suggested the haircut first, accompanied by an Olaplex treatment and then assessing the condition before going ahead with any colour, including direct dye.
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced of using a direct dye, rather than anything that contains peroxide. I am genuinely concerned about pushing it right over the edge. However, another stylist expressed concern over further staining, but again, peroxide on this truly scares me.
I have been trying to find Adore Brown swatches online, to see the undertones, but have not been very successful.
I have a bottle of honey brown, but it somehow looks green to me, as others have mentioned. I am looking for a mushroom sort of colour, which I suppose is purple based.
I really wish it was easier to find swatches or information from the manufacturer itself. Especially on levels, etc.
Thank you again for your response :).
by vivienne StaffPosted 1 week ago
I do think Adore Dark Chocolate would be too dark for your purposes and I think it would go a bit too violet when diluted to properly match your roots. I also agree that I think a dark enough silver could definitely cover what you have, though maybe not 100% evenly. Unfortunately, the only dark charcoal I know of without too much blue in it at the moment is One N Only Chrome, and it's not very available outside of the US. If I were trying to come up with something on my own, I'd probably use something like Pravana Silver and mix in the tiniest drop of whatever magenta pink you have on hand to pull it a bit more violet-toned and then darken it with some Adore Jet Black or Pravana Black.
Now, if you'd rather go for a taupe-ish brown, I think it'll be a much more complicated mix, as semi-permanent dyes don't seem to do as well as permanent browns in this variety. If I were working with Adore dyes, I think I'd use the Brown Black from the Plus line as a base and maybe get some Medium Brown, which has a very olive-toned base (looks green in the bottle). The rest of the browns all lean very burgundy or copper or gold. It's not really the ideal set of colours to mix a taupe with.
Posted 1 week ago
Thank you Vivienne! I appreciate your message :). I don't believe we have that brand available to us, and the only greys I've seen are either Adore, or brands that can be purchased at Superdrug (or require the use of peroxide from Sally's).
I think that I may have come up with a plan.
I have this bottle of Adore Hot Pink, and as Andya suggested, was planning to dilute it and use it to tone the green, before applying my colour.
I know he said to dilute it, but if I am putting brown over it, should I still do it that way, or put it on full strength for a short time, as sort of a filler?
I have ordered Adore Mocha and Mystic Grey, which leans purple, and will mix them and see what happens :).
This may be a stupid question, but I was wondering how to proceed after the pink step.
Do I wash it out with just water, let it dry, then dye with the next mixture, or do I shampoo it out with clarifying shampoo, dry and apply the next mixture?
I know you are supposed to clarify before using direct dyes, but wasn't sure whether that pertains to freshly dyed hair as well (since conditioner smoothes the cuticle).
Sorry, I hope that makes sense!
Thank you again :) xx
by vivienne StaffPosted 6 days, 11 hours ago
So for the Adore, I'd definitely dilute it, even though you're planning on covering it up, because it's quite a thin formula and absorbs very quickly and can go quite dark even when left for a short amount of time. I think you might end up with a pink cast over the Mocha if you just cover it right up. It's not necessarily the end of the world if that happens since it'll just lean a bit burgundy, but if that's not what you're going for, diluting is an easy solution.
As for the process, I'd probably do the pink, wash it out with shampoo and no conditioner, then let your hair dry and do the brown mix. If you'd prefer to just use water, it'll be fine, but since I suggested you dilute the pink, you'd still have some conditioner from that mix in your hair. If you don't do that, then I think just water is okay.
Posted 6 days, 7 hours ago
I used the diluted Pink, which is actually called Neon pink (no idea why I kept calling it hot pink), twice in a row. I kept it in my hair for 15 minutes both times, under heat. I also used clarifying shampoo before and dried between each round.
Once the Mocha and Mystic Grey arrive I will apply those at a 1:1 ratio. Not sure about application time yet, but I suppose I'll sort that out :).
Thank you for responding regarding washing, etc. I find it difficult to find small bits of information like that online, as they tend to get glossed over :).
Well, now we wait for the colours :).
by AndyaPosted 5 days, 16 hours ago
In my humble opinion, a great job was done with the diluted pink. The next to the window picture, I can see more of the green mentioned previously. Thank you for shedding more light on the greenish hair. Best of luck with the brown dyes and hope you get very good results. These are my humble opinions.
Posted 5 days, 16 hours ago
Thank you Andya :)x