HELP! My hair wont go silver, evenly.by dajizzusPosted 2 years, 8 months ago
Good day! I've no where else to go, and nobody seems to know exactly what's going on.
So I wanted to go to silver hair (from black, yeah). I feel like I am there, but not completely. My hair does not evenly accept the dye. I have re-dyed it a couple of times to try and hide the yellow tones. It "magnifies" parts where it already took in, but some of the hair, its like it hasn't even been exposed to any kind of color.
I have bleached, and bleached and bleached. My last bleaching DID NOT change anything, very, very, vaguely, so I decided to stop bleaching it. I have used silvers shampoo, dye and conditioner, but like I've said, it only works for certain parts of my hair, but not all of it.
My only idea is that I may have added the yellow pigment from the baggie, that you get in Loreal Preference (11.21) THAT is not coverable by the purple pigments. But I have applied that Loreal evenly on my hair, so the problem should be on my entire hair, not just specific bits.
Picture related... As you can see, the longer you are from the center of my head, the more yellow it gets. My hair is short on the sides as well, and it's also golden yellow (it looks ugly, as half of my hair is silver, with golden streaks, and then golden, short hair on the sides, yuck.) I have gotten a "stronger" toning purple shampoo now, and I applied it in my hair. The bits of hair that were gray already, got this nice, new coat of gray sheen, with purple-ish hues. The bits of my hair that weren't taking in pigment, didn't seem to have changed much in color. I have then used a brush to apply the purple toner very thickly on the yellowish parts. That does not do anything either.
I have assumed maybe a color stripper might work, to strip ALL pigment, but I know how damaged my hair will be after it, so I'd rather not do it at all.
It took me a really long time to process my hair and get it to this silver, and now that I am there it seems that some bits of my hair just WON'T take any pigment in. It is very prominent, especially on the sides, and where my hair is thick, it gives out this effect like my hair is fading out, despite my best efforts.
Going to the hairdresser is NOT an option at this point, as I have invested a lot of money in this at this point. Sorry if If such a topic was already posted, I looked around but nobody seemed to have my specific problem.
by vivienne StaffPosted 2 years, 8 months ago
It's very common for this to occur when your hair wasn't evenly bleached. Silver dyes and toners are basically extremely dilute purple-ish blue, which work by neutralising the yellow naturally in your hair. This works, because they are opposite colours on the colour wheel. If you have a very slight tinge of yellow, the purple will tone it to a white-ish shade while the blue will give it a silvery shine. If your yellow is too dark, the purple won't be strong enough to tone it and it'll just look like a slightly muted yellow. If your hair was bleached to white, the purple will be too strong and it'll turn the sections lavendar. This is why toning or dyeing your hair silver often highlights unevenness, because the differences between too dark, just right, and too light can be hard to spot when everything just looks yellow. Even if you apply the bleach/high-lift dye evenly, the places you apply to first have more processing time than the places. Also, if your sides are longer than 1 cm or so, what you might actually be seeing is banding. The first 1 cm nearest your scalp lifts much faster than the rest of your hair, so if you apply dye to it all at once, you'll end up with some yellowy bits at the ends even if your roots are already white.
It's a little hard to tell the precise colour of your hair dye to the lightening, but I do think the best strategy at this point is avoid anything that requires mixing developer in and stick with semi-permanent dyes, which won't do any damage. At three processes, your hair is probably at the limit and you're risking major breakage if you try to process it again. Even if it feels fine now, the structural integrity is definitely weakened. You can make your own silver toner using a darker blue-ish purple diluted in shampoo or silicone-free conditioner This way, you can make it stronger so it can compensate for the stronger yellow tones on the sides and the darker streaks. It will not perfectly match the other, lighter sections, because it'll at least help match the tone a bit better. I usually suggest Manic Panic Ultra Violet as the dye, though if you let us know what country you're in, we might be able to give other suggestions as well.
If you're trying your own toner mix, I cannot stress the importance of a strand test enough. As I mentioned, it's very easy to upset the balance of just enough purple to neutralise the yellow without tinting everything lavender. You will probably need to experiment with how much you need to dilute the dye and there are too many factors (true base shade, porosity of your hair, etc.) involved for us to be able to confidently give you a perfect ratio over the internet. If you go too dark and get a lavender, it should fade down with some shampooing, but it's better to know before you commit. Also, I'd suggest applying your homemade toner to dry, clean hair that does not have conditioner in it and leaving it in for at least a couple of hours to absorb better. It's just pigment in conditioner, so it's not doing any harm. Just be sure to keep it covered so it doesn't dry out because the dye can't absorb when it's dry.
by dajizzusPosted 2 years, 8 months ago
Hey Vivienne, thanks for your comment.
I'm currently using a toner called Bleach Blondes Silver toner (or something to that effect). It is clear to me that I have lifted my hair to the maximum it can be lifted (I would say) as the last 2 times I bleached it with Loreal 11.21, it did not make any significant changes (very vague, almost unnoticable)
I am therefore not sure what to do. Like I've mentioned before,when I use this silver toner (especially this new one I got, which is very dense purple, jello like liquid) which works wonders, but NOT everywhere on my hair and I do not know why. I have already tinted my hair lavander, as I tried to see if I can re-apply the toner thickly on the yellowy bits and let it set there for about 15 minutes and see if it makes a change. Like I've said, there are bits of my hair that still remain the same yellowy. The yellow itself is not bright, but it does not accept pigment so it's noticable when my hair is dry and looks like an ombre.
I have read your comment a couple of times over, but I don't really see a clear suggestion as to what my next step would be.
I have asked my hairdresser friend, and she suggests I bleach it again to lift it even more, so the pigment can make a difference. I would agree with her, but except, the pigment is being accepted for the most part (80%) of my hair, but not elsewhere, which makes me think my hair is just too damaged to accept pigment?
I am also not sure how to fix the area of the banding. The beggining of my hairline, near my ear, has a vertical, rectangle like patch that looks silver (almost like a silver side-burn) but just a milimeter behind it is a stretch of hair that just looks gold-like. So even on the short part of my hair it absorbed the purple pigment unevenly and I can't determine the cause of it. :/
Thanks again for your help!
by AndyaPosted 2 years, 8 months ago
Also hair that has been bleached and bleached has a better chance of damage. Hair that has cuticles that are too open will not hold onto color, like hanging a coat on a wall without a hook. My opinion and guess is some of the hair is damaged and some is not so much. Humbly suggest whenever wash the hair use very cold water to help close the cuticle/platelets on the hair shaft. Damaged ends should be cut off in my humble opinion. These are my suggestions.
by ZombiiPosted 2 years, 8 months ago
This happened to my hair too! I was overprocessing more than usual and too often. My best guess is uneven bleaching, and just too much bleaching overall. I got to the point where I (thought) it was light enough to tone, used Wella Grey Lady, and got a mess of ash blonde, smoky purple, smoky blue, and swamp green (it sounds a lot better than it looked). Unfortunately/fortunately, it all washed out without too much effort---because my hair was too damaged to hold any pigment. :( After that, I ended up cutting off all the damage and growing it back out while bleaching more carefully, so it takes pigment mostly evenly now.
I also use a lot of protein: Ion foaming protein reconstructor with every wash, conditioner with protein, etc. Too much protein can make hair dry and brittle, but it also gives the pigment something to hang onto, so that's something you could try until you're ready to cut it: I always use a protein treatment after bleach and before dye (make sure to balance with a moisturizing conditioner after processing, and always always after any protein conditioner or treatment).
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