Keratin/protein treatments? Strengthening hairby zombiecakesPosted 2 years, 11 months ago
This isn't related to my last topic, but I was considering trying a protein/keratin treatment before dying it again.
Since frying my hair with black dye and bleach, I switched to a new shampoo, L'oreal Total Repair 5 with Ceramide protein. This is the first shampoo I've used that feels like its actually putting life back into my hair, rather than just cleaning it. It's very gentle, and I've found less of my hair coming out in the shower since using it. When I brush it, I still have a lot of breakage though(I never brush my hair when its wet anymore). There will be hairs all over the bathroom counter. Since my scalp tends to be oily, my hair has gotten a little softer...but I still feel like it is very delicate. (Idk if leave-in conditioners are good for greasy hair? I use L'oreal conditioner on my ends in the shower. I realize it doesn't help that I have split ends going up my hair, and plan on having it cut next week.
Do you think my hair could benefit from protein, maybe something like Aphogee's 2-Step Protein Treatment or Aphogee's Keratin and Green Tea Restructurizer? I've tried conditioning it with coconut oil and olive oil, but oils really make my hair come out in my hands and it was horrible. Basically, I'd like to figure out a routine to keep my hair stronger and healthier in the future, as I don't plan to stop dying it anytime soon. I don't have a ton of money so was hoping to buy a $10-$15 product from Aphogee that I can get a few uses out of! Thanks for any advice.
by UltraVyletPosted 2 years, 11 months ago
2011: I have to go to Dublin, Ireland for a photo business trip. Colored my chin length bob blue/black right before I left. While there, I become obsessed with having platinum hair. Upon my return, I attempt my first bleaching for platinum blonde, vs. bleaching for lift to use Manic Panic, and it was the first and only time I experienced a hair failure beyond epic proportions. I think I did 2 rounds of 1 hour bleach sessions = sea-foam green hair (remnants of the blue black). For a week, I kept it dry, soaked in deep conditioner and wrapped in a bandana to save me the public humiliation. Next I used a color remover, which did barely anything. Same night I did a bleach wash with purple Palmolive dish soap, which immediately removed the whole blue-green sea hag hue. Next day, I bleached again for another hour (impatient, much?). I have very thick hair that's been able to withstand the havoc I've wreaked on it, but that last round of bleach maxed it out - hair started to melt & pull like spaghetti. I very quickly but gently washed it out, deep conditioned it & dried it as fast as possible. My bathroom was like a disco of broken hair confetti. THE one thing that saved it? Once I blew it completely dry, I poured Extra Virgin Olive Oil all over my head, wrapped it up in a plastic bag and slept in it. I did that for 3 days in a row, then I finally gently washed it out, deep conditioned, soaked it with serum & blew it out. It was the rescue, for sure. But I had to halt all bleaching and permanent color for a good year. Manic Panic & I became closer than we've ever been.
3 years ago, my hair was much longer when I started towards platinum again; difference being, I now knew how to do it correctly, and how to repair the damage - or at least keep it to a minimum. This was my "long hair bleach damage" salvage routine:
-- Only wash hair once a week, or less if you can get away with it. Use a Paraben & Colorant free shampoo. When I'm not using a purple based shampoo, I use Herbal Essences bio:renew Repair Argan Oil of Morocco Shampoo. It's inexpensive, easy to find, smells like heaven, super gentle but leaves it feeling clean & not dried out. (The 1 thing I so miss about having long hair is just throwing it up in a bun. I'd go a week or 2 without washing it).
-- Shower caps should be your bff.
-- Deep conditioner should be your other bff. The cheapest, most effective IMO is Aussie's 3 Minute Miracle - Color; BUT, I also use Ion's Color Solutions Deep Daily Color Defense Intense Moisture Conditioner, Ion's Color Brilliance Absolute Perfection Color Sealer & Bed Head/Tigi's Dumb Blonde, which you can use on any hair color. As far as I'm concerned, any time your hair gets wet, even if you're not washing it, use deep conditioner. It's the first thing I do when I get in the shower and I leave it in until the end.
-- Follow up with a leave-in treatment. Since you have thin/fine hair, I would go with a leave-in conditioner/de-tangler spray. Personally, I use Cantu Shea Butter Grow Strong Strengthening Treatment - actually, you could prob use this as well, bc it's not super thick, so I doubt it would weigh your hair down. Now that my hair is so short, I use it to style my hair, as well. (You can find at almost any drug store). **Get THE thickest, widest tooth comb you can find to use when hair is wet, as gently & slowly as possible. If you you come across a knot, spray the hell out of it with leave-in conditioner/de-tangler and gently work it out.
- I know a lot of people are against heat styling damaged hair, but I've found the most damage occurs when hair is wet, especially by rubber bands. When my hair is longer, I have a slight wave in all the wrong places, so I'm obsessed with keeping it pin straight. If you do a lot of heat styling, you NEED some sort of hair serum. I found my way to Garnier Fructis's Sleek & Shine Anti-Frizz Serum. It's a very light serum, good for the way I used it: Every time my hair got wet, I followed the above steps. Before blow out, apply serum from the mid-shaft down, especially on the ends. I used a huge round brush, to help with straightening & to minimize using my flat iron as much. After blow out - serum. Before flat iron - serum. After flat ironing, more serum.
-- Every 2 or 3 nights, I still work a deep conditioner or a protein pack on dry hair and sleep with it in. Protein packs I'm in love with: Dr. Miracle's "Feel It" Formula Super Strength Deep Conditioner and the Miracle Repair Intensive Treatment; they're like, $1.99 a pack at a BSS or you can buy them in 3 or 6 packs at a drug store.
Hi Pro Pac Extremely Damaged Hair Intense Protein Treatment (newest obsession), $1.99 a pack at a BSS.
Regularly get your hair shaped & trimmed. Idk if you've heard of "Dusting", but Google it. It's a pretty rad technique stylists use to keep length but remove ALL traces of split/dead ends.
And, stay away from permanent dye's that WILL cause further damage. If you want something intense, stick to the semi & demi permanent vegetable based hair dyes. You're hair looks like the perfect color to throw a deeper red, burgundy or magenta over it.
Long winded explanation, but a girls gotta help with the damages. Hope this helps a bit!
by foxydoxyPosted 2 years, 11 months ago
@zombiecakes -- I am in the same boat, and ALAS this is how I stumbled across this forum, which I am increasingly ecstatic about having done so.
I bleached and colored my hair for the first time in December. I had brown-black hair that I bleached once at home, then used a combination of Manic Panic (didn't do shit) and Arctic Fox (lasted great but only used a small amount).
I was pretty frustrated with the dirty trash water hair color that it was when I washed it out.
Went over it the next day with Argan Oil Perfect Intensity from Sally's for around $8 (they're buy 2 get 1 free this month at my Sally's!). It was SUPER vibrant and now it is STILL in my hair SEVEN MONTHS LATER. Which is awesome. It's now blue-green, but I still get compliments on it. So mermaid.
But now it is so dry and brittle and thin. I'm literally scared to wash it, brush it, touch it.
I know I should have been doing deep conditioners and leave-in conditioners and oil treatments but AHHH I was just kind of avoiding it and now here I am having reached a critical mass of full-on hair panic. So maybe we can both keep on this and try out things and let each other know how it goes through here! I just picked up Argan Oil Perfect Intensity in Emerald Green so I am super excited to begin Operation: Emerald pretty soon. Like today. I am just on here to see if I am in a situation where it is still okay to color my hair...
So I haven't washed it in weeks. It falls out all of the time all over everything and everyone. It does get damp in the shower. Sometimes I brush it out. My hair brush looks like it's used by a hundred blue-green ladies a day. My partner is now legitimately worried too. When you look at a strand closely, it's so much thicker where the new hair has grown in, while the bleached/colored hair thins off into nothingness. All of my hair is broken at different places. At this point, I am slowly realizing after reading some of these posts that I am an idiot for doing all of this.
I had dandruff pretty bad before coloring my hair in December. It actually went away for awhile after coloring it so I feel like the argan oil treatment did help with that. I also did an argan oil treatment with some I purchased at Trader Joe's (cheap and organic, but smells like a goat). Now it's back with a vengeance.
So I am not sure what to do next...
Should I wash my hair and scrub my scalp before coloring it?
Or should I just color it?
@UltraVylet Your response was SO HELPFUL and I have mined it for all of its plentiful resources. Thank you so much for sharing your story and experience and wisdom! Crossing my fingers that some of these things will help me as well. Any advice on or experience with dandruff?
by foxydoxyPosted 2 years, 11 months ago
Update: So apparently there are a lot of dangers associated with keratin treatments, with many absolutely containing carcinogens. UGH! I HATE THE HAIR & BEAUTY MARKET. They don't have to tell you anything, they market the shit out of everything. This was helpful to read and has some how-to tutorials: https://draxe.com/keratin-treatment/
by ZombiiPosted 2 years, 11 months ago
I fried my hair to death beyond salvaging, cut off all the damage (most of my hair---at least I still have bangs?), and now am trying to maintain platinum blonde. So I know your struggle! ;D
This is what works for me, try anything that might work for you and ignore the rest.
Shampoo: OGX Nourishing Coconut or Shiny Silver (the OGX is good, Shiny Silver is just for toning so ignore that one unless you want to cool out some warm tones).
Protein: Ion Foaming Protein Reconstructor. Technically this says it's a conditioner but I dunno, it's not moisturizing (like at all), but the protein seems to be keeping my hair from breaking, so yay?
Conditioner: Aussie 3-Minute Miracle Moist. This is to balance the protein. Really important part, if you're using anything with a lot of protein, use something with a lot of moisture to balance it or the excess protein can cause breakage.
Weekly Treatment/As Necessary: Hask Placenta Conditioner. Sounds gross but it smells kind of fruity/sweet, no trace of weird smells and the placenta is harvested in a way that doesn't harm the mother or baby sheep. If you're vegan, ignore, otherwise it's worth trying.
by Jude StaffPosted 2 years, 11 months ago
My hair doesn't respond well to protein and if it was fragile I would certainly avoid it. It has a tendency to make my hair hard and if it builds up it becomes almost brittle. I've talked before about my experience of protein build-up, where it quickly got so bad my hair pretty much rustled when it moved. That took 3 weeks or more to wash out. If my hair had been delicate I'm certain it would have caused breakage.
If you're already using protein in your routine, be cautious about adding more. I think you need to add moisture to increase manageability and reduce friction. I know everyone hates silicones now but they're not all bad. I prefer plant oils but don't rule out silicones all together. A good moisturising conditioner that may be a little heavy on the 'cones could be just what you need. You can then spot treat any dry areas like the ends with a leave-in treatment oil.
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