Need suggestions on where to go from here pleasePosted 5 years, 3 months ago
Hello all, I hope I'm posting in the right area. I recently did a color remover, and bleached my hair from light brown to platinum blonde using Olaplex, and coconut oil during the bleaching process for added protection, and to prevent as much damage to my hair. I also had my 1st ever protein treatment done a couple weeks prior to doing anything to my hair. As of right now my hair is pretty dry and damaged, and I do have some slight breakage of my hair. I've been using hydrating masks, etc. to try to help with the dryness, and the breakage.
One of my biggest issues is my hair is so porous that it is toning out to weird colors, ie I toned it a few days ago with Makki hair color mask in a gray color, and just conditioner, no developer, and my entire head of hair went blue within just a few mins of having the toner on my hair.
Luckily, I was able to remove all the ashy blue colored toner after shampooing my hair several times with clarifying shampoo, so I thought good, I'll just hydrate my hair really well with a good hydrating treatment, and finally be able to leave it alone, and let it rest for awhile. (I had planned just to use purple shampoo as my toner as nothing is staying in longer than a couple of days anyway). So, I did a treatment of Olive oil, and a few drops of castor oil, and left it on for a couple of hours, well when I rinsed the treatment out of my hair it had picked up the green tone of the olive oil and is now green. My hair feels amazing, it's soft, and manageable, but it's a hideous ugly green color from the olive oil. I'm sure I can probably get that too removed with clarifying shampoo, or I can just wait and let it eventually wash out on it's own in time- which is what I may do because I hate to keep washing my hair like this because I'm making the dryness worse, and causing more breakage, but I also don't want to walk around for a week or two with green hair either. My plan was to bleach to platinum, and then wear my hair a silvery/gray color to blend my hair better with my natural white/gray roots, so I don't have to keep coloring it, but so far, that hasn't worked, and I've spent more time messing with it at platinum then I ever had to when it was dark, but now with it being so porous, I can't go back to dark now either because it won't stay in my hair now either, so I'm kind of stuck. My hair was a really pretty blonde color before the olive oil and castor oil treatments, but since it was so dry, I felt I need to moisturize it really good because of all the shampooing I had to do in order to get the blue out the other day.
Do you think my hair is now lacking in protein, or do you think I am possibly protein sensitive, and that my 1st ever protein treatment, prior to the processes, is causing this issue? What do you recommend to help get the green out of my hair as gently as possible, and what do I need to do to try to help the porousness of my hair? Is there anything I can do to help toners stay in my hair better, or should I just stay away from toners for now, and allow the purple shampoo to do the work for me? Also I generally use coconut oil on my hair and tonight was my 1st time using olive oil on it, is there any other type of clear or white oil or deep conditioning treatment that can be left in overnight that will work as well as the olive oil does that I can use instead? Thank you for any help you can give me. Have a wonderful night!!
by vivienne StaffPosted 5 years, 3 months ago
Can you add a photo of the green, either by a window or outdoors? Instructions are under the Site Stuff forum.
If it's light enough, the gentlest thing to do for now would just be to make your own red/pink tones with a tiny amount of a pinky red semi-permanent dye in loads of conditioner. Just use it like a purple shampoo, but it's neutralizing green instead of yellow. You could also let it soak in a while to help moisturize a little. Just don't use a super silicone-heavy conditioner, because it may block the dye from absorbing well.
Thank you for your response Vivianne, I actually washed it this morning in clarifying shampoo, and that helped a little, but right now I have coconut oil on it, so I'd have to wash it again in order to get an accurate picture of it. The best I can describe it as is it is a light grayish green color. The back is darker than the front because I coated it heavier with the oil as it was drier in the back.
Can I use red food coloring in conditioner, or do I need to go buy something else for it? I also have some Adell red gold color corrector drops that when mixed into conditioner turns a bright magenta pink to a light-dark purple color depending on how many drops you use, would these work? I've also heard ketchup works to remove green tones too, is this true? My fear is with the actual dyes, and my hair being so porous that I will turn my hair either red/pink while trying to get rid of the green, and have to start all over trying to get rid of that tone.
I invested in some different hydrating products for my hair today, and made sure they were all either clear, or white in color to try to prevent this from happening in the future. I never dreamed that using something as innocent as olive oil to hydrate my hair could cause so many issues. Apparently I have a lot to learn about being blonde, and with Summer coming I'm going to dread swimming in a chlorinated pool.
As far as the protein in my hair, I had the 2 step Protein treatment done about 3 weeks ago, so do you think the protein in my hair should still be sufficient enough to protect it, even after all the processing and washing of it, or should I do something to add more protein to it to try to help prevent any further damage?
Thanks again for the help, and have a wonderful day!!!
by vivienne StaffPosted 5 years, 3 months ago
You can try food colouring, but I think that's actually more likely to give you trouble, because my experience with it is that it stains a lot. Most people who post on these forums have not had good success with the ketchup method, but I suppose if they did, they wouldn't be posting here.
The Ardell corrector may work, but just try a strand test first so you can get the ratios right. You really want the barest hint of colour in the mix (like the equivalent intensity of the green in your hair).
In terms of protein, I'd wait until after you get the colour where you want it to deal with it. It doesn't really protect your hair or prevent damage, mostly just make existing damage feel better. Honestly, I think the biggest thing to do is to start with moisture and see if you can get to a good place with that. Afterward, you can try adding in a little protein to help with strength. Protein alone can make your hair super brittle and even more dry and it can take weeks for it to gradually wash out.
by vividamnesiaPosted 5 years, 3 months ago
Don't use red to try to counter the green even though red is what we us to do so because the intensity or level of the green must be equal with the level of the red/pink used & there is no way to gauge this as the porous hair may or may not grab the red pigment. Anti dandruff poo x2 left on 10 mins each time should do the trick. It is doubt full that 1 protein treatment would cause problems as over proteining is an excessive amount of protein added in a short amount of time not from 1 treatment & the products available to the public do not have enough K in them to over do it. Chemical damage from chemical services actually breaks the protein down that the hair is made of resulting in over porous hair with big holes in it's structure & or even has dissolved the protein bonds all together to the point of breaking apart. These holes in the structure of the hair are bigger than pigment molecules so the pigment will not stick properly to the hairs cortex where the melanin is housed & or will only soak up the darker larger ash pigments & or medium red pigments. The hair is 95% K=Keratin. Keratin can & needs to be replaced in to the damaged hair as it will bond & build on to the residing K in the hair & repair the holes made in the hair making the hair have less porosity but enough porosity to hold pigment again. I recommend poo & condt with K in them along with ceramide & even a K treatment in salon to start. The protein treatment you had will have suffered from any chemical services done after wards. Stick with the anti dandruff poo then when the greens gone do the purple poo. Purple poo works stronger when applied to dry hair & left on up to 10 mins. Get some product with K in it too. Moroccan oil(argon oil) is the best oil for hair as it doesn't need to be washed out & absorbs into the hair completely. The original Moroccan oil salon brand is best.https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61e7aMcUDNL.AC_UL320_SR192,320.jpg We need to get some strength & health back to the hair b4 any more coloring to be successfull! Hope this helps!
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Thank you Vivienne and Vividamnesia for your responses, Vivienne I agree that my hair need hydration, all the processing has made it pretty dry. I had already put a deep conditioning, hydrating, repair mask in my hair prior to reading both of you gal's responses. One of my biggest issues is trying to figure out which products to use, so generally I try to go by the ingredients (which I'm still trying to figure out which ingredients are good and bad for my hair), and I also go by the reviews and lol hope they know what I don't about the products.
Tonight I am using SheaMoisture Jamaican Black Castor Oil Reparative Leave-In Conditioner, SheaMoisture Jamaican Black Castor Oil Intensive Strengthening Masque, and coconut oil. I also have the Shea Moisture Coconut and Hibiscus Curl enhancing smoothie that I can use also if I need to which is also a leave in formula. All of these have excellent reviews.
I have several other brands of hydrating, and repair masks, and some John Frieda Frizz Ease Miraculous recovery repairing conditioner, Aussie 3 minute miracle-MOISTURE that I like to use as well, but the majority of the hydrating and repair masks directions say to rinse them out after 5-15 mins, and I don't want to have to rinse them out that soon because I like to leave them in my hair for several hours or overnight and allow them to work their magic. I think removing a product like that in such a short period of time doesn't really give them enough time to work, or enough time to allow my hair to soak up the oils, etc. that my hair needs from them. I do pretty much try to stay within the same brands when I use them together though.
I also have some One and Only brand Argon Oil 12 in 1 daily that I like to use during the day. http://www.sallybeauty.com//one-n-only-argan-oil-12-in1-daily-treatment/SBS-539438,default,pd.html
and also the One and only brand Argon oil Hydrating Mask http://www.sallybeauty.com//one-n-only-argan-oil-hydrating-mask/SBS-539416,default,pd.html which is one of my favorites, but according to the directions it's suppose to be rinsed out after just a few mins too.
I currently use Pantene ProV color revive shampoo, and conditioner that I bought when I had my hair dyed, or just Pantene ProV clean with the shampoo and conditioner all in one, but I can order some better shampoo and conditioner with Protein and no sulfates in it if I need to. Will you ladies take a look at these 2 brands, and see if either one would be a good choice please?
I can order either the Shea Moisture shampoo and conditioner tomorrow https://www.amazon.com/Shea-Moisture-Strengthen-Conditioner-Combination/dp/B0157K2GZO/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1492848194&sr=1-1&keywords=Shea+Moisture+jamaican+black+castor+oil+shampoo+and+conditioner which has good reviews I think our local Sally's and our local Kroger's also carries it too.
OR this one which has the Moraccon Argon Oil like Vividamnesia recommended I will also check out the exact product you suggested to- Art Naturals Organic Moroccan Argon Oil Shampoo and Conditioner Set (2 x 16 Oz) - Sulfate Free… https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BFKIJ06?psc=1 There is also a Hair regrowth formula in this brand https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GP6MGD6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A19PMLP68RZHKX A Hair Mask https://www.amazon.com/ArtNaturals-Argan-Oil-Hair-Mask/dp/B012P4D5XM/ref=pd_bxgy_194_3? _encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B012P4D5XM&pd_rd_r=Z5248TN4FT8N8QXTNP5R&pd_rd_w=VitPc&p d_rd_wg=jhs04&psc=1&refRID=Z5248TN4FT8N8QXTNP5R
and a Leave in conditioner https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B3AY85S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A19PMLP68RZHKX
Vividamnesia you said I probably need to add more protein, you very would could be right as my diet is horrible for one, I've done a lot of processing on my hair, I do have some slight breakage occurring at the moment (which I need to try to get stopped with hydration and protein). The breakage occurred even though I used Olaplex in my processing, and I have thyroid disease too which doesn't help anything, but it's possible that some if not most of the breakage is due to how much I've had to wash my hair recently trying to get rid of the Blue, and now the green.
I personally didn't really care for the Apogee 2 step treatment the 1st go around ( I mean it was alright) and of course it was my 1st ever protein treatment that I've done, so I had nothing to compare it with, but other people seem to like it alright, but I suspect there are a lot better protein treatments out there then that one. I've heard people talking about K paks but I'm not exactly sure how well those work or if there are different brands and what brands I'd need to get etc. Any suggestions on what would be a good protein treatment to do when I decide to do that? I will also try the dandruff shampoo tomorrow and see if it helps the green or not.
Thank you both again, and have a wonderful day!!!
I tried the dandruff shampoo, and it did very little to remove the green. My hair is currently a med-light yellow/green color in the back, but the color is still so much darker than it was that the light toners purple shampoo, light pink toner, have little to no effect on it. Right now I'm just continuing to rest and moisturize it, and after a long, long, long, rest period, and it gets it's health back, I'll probably bleach bath it which I was going to have to do anyway to try to remove the rest of the box dye staining. Hopefully after more routine shampoos (not intentional multiple shampoos in the same day trying to get it out because I've already tried that and it didn't do anything, but dry my hair out more) the olive oil will eventually come out, but as of right now it is not budging. Thanks for the help, and if I find a miracle cure for this mess, I'll be sure and let you all know. Have a wonderful night.
by purklePosted 5 years, 3 months ago
My favourite hydration products are:
Pure jojoba oil, avail from health food stores (can leave this in)
Dr organic hemp repair hydrating mask, I got this in a health food store again (I leave it on for a good while)
Superdrug sell a natural range of hair care, can't remember the name but it's £6.99 for 250ml shampoo etc. I use the maximum hydration for coloured hair conditioner. (I leave this in for a good while, it's really good).
I wash with a conditioner as well, instead of shampoo, it works great & def helps with the condition. I use a lighter one tho- fructis normal strength conditioner in poundland is good & doesn't have silicones or sulphates in it.
I have neutralised pale mint green tones in porous hair before with very light pink conditioner. The only problem comes if some sections are more porous than others. I've never had much joy with food colouring, annoyingly, I've now got a whole selection of loads of colours and I hate baking haha!!
Thank you purkle. Is the jojoba oil clear in color, if so I might try it. I will have t look on Amazon and places like that for the other products.
I am in the US not the UK so to my knowledge we have no Superdrug here. What is the brand name of conditioner you use that is maximum hydration for coloured hair, is it a Superdrug brand?
I have some light purple conditioner here but no light pink. I've never tried the food coloring but heard you can use it but I'd be almost afraid to, as there is no telling what color my hair would end up. I also hate baking, but sure do love those baked goodies when they come out of the oven. Thanks for the info and have a wonderful night.
by ZombiiPosted 5 years, 3 months ago
Jojoba oil can range from pale to dark yellow, I've never seen it available in clear although it might exist and I just never saw it. I used to use it a lot and the color doesn't stick or anything, there's no noticeable change to the hair color when using it. Amazon has it for pretty cheap.
Thanks Zombii, if it has any color to it at all I won't use it at the moment because right now my hair is so porous that it turned green from olive oil, so I'm not taking any chances, lol.
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