Wrong purple, I'm not sure what to do.Posted 5 years, 10 months ago
I'm very new to this forum and I'm posting because I recently went in to get my hair dyed a lavender/mauve color. I had read as much as I could find on these sorts of colors online prior to going in for the appointment, so I could hopefully have a realistic expectation of the outcome. I realized from reading that this was going to cost a LOT of money and a LOT of time, so I was prepared for this. I was in the salon for about 7 hours and ended up paying about $400 ($500 after tip) for a hair color that has really got me shook. I'm trying really hard to be understanding and make it work, but I'm just not feeling it, as it is. I'm not sure what to do at this point, and I'm afraid to ask the stylist to fix it, because I don't even know how I could instruct her to fix it. I think she really did try her best, and I was open to it being slightly different from expected, but I just feel this is really far off from the kind of vibe I was going for. I was looking for more of a mauve/lavender color, something sort of soft, pastel, or muted. I got a very bright electric purple with blotches of the color I was shooting for. (More in my bangs.)
My hair stylist said that the color will fade to the color I want, but this also has me slightly concerned because if the color fades to the color I want, then I'm thinking the color will fade unevenly and my bangs will be blonde by the time my head is mauve.
Any advice on how I could fix this? I really like this hairstylist and I've heard she's the best in the area for vivid colors (She says that's her specialty) and I've been going to her for years for my hair cuts, so I really don't want to make her think I'm mad at her, or make her work more than she needs to, considering she has already spent her whole day yesterday on my hair.
For that type of muted purple, you really need a base with some level of yellow and you just add a bit of a diluted purple over it. The yellow tones will neutralize the purple to create a more dusky shade. This is honestly fairly tricky and I'd probably have not done this all in one day and do a few strand tests to experiment first. It seems to me that your stylist didn't dilute the dye enough and may not have been totally even with her application.
As to what you can do now, the first step is definitely just to fade as much as possible. There are loads of articles on fading strategies on the site under Misc Articles, though I'd start simple and just try soaking your hair in some clarifying or dandruff shampoo for ~30 minutes and maybe applying some heat. This should pull out a good amount of dye for the first few times, though you probably won't notice the results right away. Just keep doing it one every few days until you don't seem to be getting much run-off anymore. I'd highly suggest letting your hair get greasy between treatments since I find it helps bring dye molecules to the surface making them easier to wash out. See where you end up after that point and perhaps come back and post another photo. You'll probably need more fading with a slightly harsher treatment, but maybe you won't. It's hard to tell what your base is like, so perhaps you'll need another application to even things up or you may need to create the muted shade yourself by mixing in some orange to a purple. I couldn't make the recommendation without seeing what the faded results is, though. This process is definitely not going to be a quick one (thinks weeks or months), but it's fairly non-damaging and avoids a potential stubborn green stain that is very common when bleaching over purple.
By the way, do you happen to know what dye she used on your hair?
Dear Vivienne, you are a Godsend! Thank you for your advice and I really appreciate how much of your advice I will be able to do from home with low costs. (I want beautiful hair, but I still need to feed myself )
My hair stylist mixed the following colors: Pravana: Wild Orchid, violet, and a very light pinkish lavender color that I don't know the name of. Then I believe she said she mixed those with a dot of black.
Before I read your suggestions, I tried washing my hair about 4 times in a row with clarifying shampoo. (As suggested by wikihow) It's faded my hair significantly, but it's not even. Now it's kind of mauve with random chunks of bright purple. I feel like some of the purple is rather cold-toned, so we'll see if it can even warm up to a mauve. If I end up needing to add a touch of diluted purple/orange, is this a simple procedure I can do from home, even though I have no experience in dying my own hair? I have a picture of the blonde my hair was before dying it. How do I respond to this thread with a picture?
http://i64.tinypic.com/18yo7.jpg Sorry for the snapchat stuff, this is the blonde hair pre-dye.
Great suggestions from @Vivienne
One additional suggestion since patches are a violet and darker than the surrounding hair, suggest only work on fading those patches of violet with the methods you have already used. This is kind of like spot bleaching in my opinion where only work on the areas that need lightening.
Unfortunately having an even base hair color before dyeing has a strong effect to ensure an even color. Hair cuticles on the hair shaft could also be more open in one area than another. More open cuticles means more easily able to remove the color.
These are my suggestions and good luck.
Thanks guys, I'm starting to feel a little defeated right now and think I just blew $500 on a hair color that I can't get to work. I have now washed my hair 5 times, once leaving the shampoo in my hair for 30 min. and I was thinking that it was starting to light up a bit, but now looking at pictures side by side there's hardly a difference. Only thing that's fading I think, is the front where there was more pretty rose gold colors, slowly I can see strands in there fading to blonde. I don't know if I can wait the suggested -months- to correct it, as it is now I don't really feel comfortable just going outside. My hair stylist did say yesterday that if I need her to correct it, then I need to ask her within two weeks. (hence why I feel pressured to lighten it as much as I can, to see if it needs to be corrected.) If I ask my hair stylist to correct it, what specific instructions can I give her to help even the tone/mute(warm up) the color? http://i66.tinypic.com/2klkyf.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/34od9it.jpg http://i67.tinypic.com/15dxe2h.jpg http://i66.tinypic.com/2bxzf7.jpg
@sarachaa Most professional salons I have been have a one week or two week policy to correct a color for a dissatisfied client. And the appointment needs to be made to correct the color within two weeks from the initial appointment date. So the sooner the better. She also indicated willing to correct the color for some color more suitable to you. After spending half of a grand for one appointment, I certainly would desire to get what I paid for.
I have no tips to suggest to get the color you want other than what I already suggested.
A picture is worth a thousand words. So suggest print out or clip out a picture of the color you want and give this to the professional.
These are my suggestions.
Okay thanks, for everyone's help. I texted for a correction, we'll see how it goes.
You can give the recipe below a try as well, before your appointment. It's kind of similar to a bleach bath but doesn't use peroxide and is pretty good at lightening semi-permanent dyes. Honestly, I'm not sure how significant an effect it'll have, as I find it's mostly good at getting out dye after you've done as much fading from shampoo as you can. It's not to say it won't get anything out, but those Pravana dyes are very pigmented, so even after a significant amount of dye washes out, it may be hard to notice the difference. I'd give it a try, though, as it's easier to correct a lighter colour than a darker colour.
vivienne wrote: You can give the recipe below a try as well, before your appointment. It's kind of similar to a bleach bath but doesn't use peroxide and is pretty good at lightening semi-permanent dyes. Honestly, I'm not sure how significant an effect it'll have, as I find it's mostly good at getting out dye after you've done as much fading from shampoo as you can. It's not to say it won't get anything out, but those Pravana dyes are very pigmented, so even after a significant amount of dye washes out, it may be hard to notice the difference. I'd give it a try, though, as it's easier to correct a lighter colour than a darker colour.
I'm going in tomorrow to have her correct it. She had said before that she doesn't often have to mix so many colors to get the desired shade, so I was thinking with all the mixing she had to do, she had a hard time keeping the color consistent when she would have to mix a new bowl (I have lots of thick hair, so I was a bit of a difficult client unfortunately) I want to make this as easy as possible for her, so I'm going to try and lighten the problem areas (mostly the back) before I go in.
Since it seems like you have quite a bit of experience in these more "trendy" dusty shades and experience with the brand of dye she uses, do you have a suggestion on what colors she could mix to possibly correct the bright purple and even the tone? Also how does one dilute the color? I'm an artist so I understand color in painting (maybe similar to hair lol) I was thinking maybe if she diluted some orange or pink (something warm) and put it over the bright purple parts that could help, but I'm not sure since this isn't my thing.
@sarachaa In my opinion I would not do anything before seeing the professional a second time. If you alter the color she created in any way, this could break and probably would break the agreement that allows the salon to correct the color as long as the client makes the appointment within two weeks of when the color was done. Think of it this way. A person does a bad job on their hair color at home with bleach or permanent dye. The same person goes to a salon to get the color changed/corrected/altered, the salon will charge and has every right to charge, for correcting the hair color problem the client caused themselves. With lightening the hair you are changing the hair color problem yourself. Then the salon is not working on a problem the salon caused themselves. The salon will be working on a problem or alternative color you created and you caused. Again the salon has every right to charge for changing a color the client caused by themselves. So please do not do anything until you see the professional where you originally had the color done. I would not like to know you shelled out another $500 for a color correction.
Actually wish had your source of income, because $50 to $60 for a salon visit for me is a lot of money.
Trying to answer other questions @Vivienne is absolutely right. Much easier to correct a lighter color than a darker color. Example I have been able to tone or remove a very very light green shade form the hair using a red based shampoo called Quantum reds. A very pale pastel mixture of pink dye and white conditioner can inhibit and counter the very very light green shade. However if you try and dye red hair green with semi-permanent green dye the result will mostly be brown hair with a wide mixture of other colors. Toners will not change the color but help mask or help to hide an unwanted color.
Dying hair is a lot like painting a white canvas. Darker colors cover lighter colors and lighter colors do not cover darker colors. The lighter the shade you paint or hair color desired means the lighter the base hair color you need to begin with.
These are my suggestions and my humble opinion.
Hair dye is pretty similar to painting, but the main issue is that dyes are rarely, if ever, made of just one pigment, so you always have to balance additional colours when mixing, because you can easily get very muddy very quickly.
To dilute a colour, you just need to mix in some conditioner. If I were doing your hair, I would've probably just started with a very diluted mix of Pravana Violet with maybe a touch of Wild Orchid and put it directly on your blonde base and tried to use those natural warm tones to do the muting for me. I'm sure your stylist is generally very capable, though I think she might have just lacked experience to create this particular colour. Pravana Black is supposed to be a drabber that helps makes certain colours a little more muted, but, in my experience, you have to use A LOT on the brighter, more pigmented colours (like Violet and Wild Orchid) and you then have to dilute the whole thing to compensate for the added darkness. I think the best you can do at this point is to just aim for a more muted plum shade like the lower pieces in LadyLeighis' hair in the photo below. For that, I guess I'd probably try adding some warmer red tones (maybe something similar in shade to Pravana Locked-In Red). However, since your desired colour was so much lighter than your outcome, she may just try to bleach your hair, which could result a green tone, which often happens when bleaching out purple dyes. While that is something that can be corrected, it is certainly something you need to be prepared for ahead of time.
Regardless of her plan, I'd definitely ask for a strand test first this time, even if it's just a relatively quick one. If there's going to be bleach involved, I was really insist on it, since it's added damage and potential green staining. I understand the desire not to be a difficult customer, but if you're going to do an irreversibly damaging procedure, you really need to make sure all of her ducks are in a row before proceeding on your whole head.
Okay, I looked at the recipes you sent for removing color, and I wasn't confident in my skills enough to try it, so I didn't. I guess after reading the post by @Andya maybe this is best anyways. The hair stylist did tell me before I left that the color is suppose to fade to the desired color, and if I can't stand the initial color then I can "wash it about four times" and that would get it to the faded color I wanted. When I asked about it the possibility of it not fading evenly, she said she could correct it then. So since the "washing out" was part of her instructions at the salon, she should still work with it. The thought of spending this much on hair nearly gives me a heart attack, hence why I want it to be correct so bad! I was originally quoted at about upwards to $250 for the color to be done, which was a hard pill for me to swallow, but my husband (who was just as excited about the color as I was) wanted to do it for me as my birthday present. I'm also someone who normally feels like a $50 salon visit is a lot, so this is tough for me. In the end, she said my hair was longer than she remembered and it's really thick so she ended up having to use a ton of dye. That's what brought the cost up so high. I didn't know the price until it was all said and done, but to be honest I wouldn't have done it if I had known the price, especially the outcome.
I will keep all of your suggestions in mind for my visit tomorrow. Thank you so much for the advice on how we can fix this, or at least get it to an even color. She said that if we don't have time to correct it tomorrow then she will be willing to just meet to get the ball rolling tomorrow, then finish the actual correction on Jan. 20 (when she has the time). So I'm very thankful it seems like she's willing to take her time with this.
@sarachaa Keep the husband and in my opinion such a sweet person to be supportive in many ways. Agree changing appearance or doing something really nice for oneself is a great way to celebrate a birthday or significant accomplishment. Happy Birthday.
When able please keep us updated, and best of luck.
Thank you Andya! Yeah he's definitely a keeper, no doubt about that! If it can be corrected tomorrow I will post pictures.
The hairstylist was able to strip all of the color from my hair, leaving it quite yellow again without a trace of green. I told her about what @Vivienne suggested about diluting Violet with conditioner and and letting the warm tones in my hair naturally turn it to a dusty lavender/mauve color. She immediately shut this idea down, however because she said it would wash out after just one or two washes. After hours of swatches on my hair she ended up trying to dye my hair lavender with a hair dye that I'm not familiar with. It wasn't a pigment though, it was really syrupy looking and I believe she said it's a "demi". Anyways, it did nearly nothing to my hair, but turn it slightly more sandy-toned, rather than yellow. So she broke out this violet toner by Pravana (I believe), and she let that sit on my head for a few minutes. The color of the toner paste looked GORGEOUS, like the perfect color. Once she took it off, it looked like we were finally heading in the right direction, but I did want more pigment. She said to let my hair sit for a week or so, then we could add more a second layer of the toner. (I'm assuming I would have to pay for it though, at this point.) It was now dark out, so I knew I wouldn't have a true sight of the color until the morning. However, under warm lights at night the hair looks like an awesome silver lilac. Not exactly the color I was going for but I still think it's cool!
However, I woke up this morning only to find that, during the day, it's just a normal sandy blonde. Even rooms with lights that previously turned my head silver/purple, now have lost the effect. http://i66.tinypic.com/2whm54h.jpg http://i67.tinypic.com/21kxymu.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/23k5gdl.jpg
I'm so tempted at this point to buy a tube of Pravana Violet and try dying my hair myself the way suggested before. Is my hair a good shade to do this with? Do you guys have a suggestion on how I can achieve this color from home with the blonde that I have now? Also, was my hair stylist correct that by diluting dyes with conditioner, the color will wash out in one or two washes? I guess if I can do the look myself from home at minimal cost, then this is probably okay- but I'm still just curious.
She is right that the diluted dye will not last as long, though since Pravana Violet is actually pretty strong, so I think it would actually last longer than 1-2 washes. I usually do my own hair, so I have my own dyes, so I'm sorry I didn't consider that you'd have to go in for a lot of touch-ups with that method.
Anyhow, your hair looks kind of brownish on those photos, so I think you'd need to lift it a little bit. Since she used a demi (which is just a dye that uses a very low volume of developer), I think you should be able to get it out with a colour remover like Color Oops. It should get you back to gold, which is probably the ideal base for a mauve-y purple. Pravana Violet would work, though I also find Manic Panic Purple Haze to work pretty well. You dilute it a lot less (probably just 1:1) and I believe you can get it at Sally's.
No, don't be sorry. I don't mind routinely touching up my color, if I'm the one touching it up. I think it could be really fun to learn to dye my own hair, maybe a new creative outlet for me!
I do have a couple final questions about your instructions before I more forward: 1. When you say a conditioner to dilute it, can I just use any white conditioner? I am thinking about getting Tresemme Moisture Rich conditioner, would that work well? 2. You said that the Color Oops will remove the demi, but she also used a violet toner. Is there a risk of the violet toner interfering with the Color Oops?
Thanks for all of your advice!
by LoonPosted 5 years, 10 months ago
ideally what colour(s) would you like?
I think at this point if you can fade your demi and then apply a diluted pink-based purple as Vivienne suggests like Purple Haze or Punky Plum you should be able to get more of a rosey mauve.
and then to keep it fresh just keep a bottle of tinted conditioner with a little of your dye in it and use as often as needed
@Loon Well since you ask, your hair is pretty much the exact shade I'm trying to get! Maybe slightly more purple, but honestly I would be perfectly happy with your color! lol I posted a picture at the beginning of the thread with the picture that is my inspiration, and the picture I brought to my hair dresser. Can I dilute with Tresemme Moisture Rich conditioner, and also use it to make a tinted conditioner? And does purple toner interfere with Color Oops?
I'm thinking of ordering some Pravana Violet off of Amazon because I feel like since it's so pigmented, the tube might last longer and maybe the color will hold on stronger. I guess you guys would know best though, if Manic Panic is just as good/better. It would be easier, since then I could just pick up everything I need in one go at Sally's.