Manic panic WONT stick to my hair?Posted 4 years, 7 months ago
Hi, I'm new and you ladies seem super nice and helpful, maybe someone can give me some sort of insight here?
Going to give you as much story as I can so maybe someone can tell me why my hair wont take colors? I'm 32 I've used manic panic off and on for half my life. The colors have ALWAYS stuck except that one time I put 40 vol + bleach on my hair and it was already fried, and I left it on too long and it broke off on top of my head- it came out in clumps- I still tried to use my color afterwards but my hair would not hold the color then and that kind of makes sense? It was badly damaged.BADLY.
Fastforward years later I grew my hair out for almost 3 years and had gorgeous natural hair, no dyes at all. Then I decided to shave my sides, cut it shorter, and eventually I had to dye it! So on my fresh natural hair I used a 40 and quick white bleach, left it on for about 20 minutes and had a funky blondish color. I conditioned, and waited a few days then I went with a 30 more quick white and got a blonde light enough to feel like my hair would take the purple.
I used Ultra Violet, and I don't have a good picture of the fail, but you can see the murky faded garbage I ended up with in the 1st picture I added. I left it on for a few hours. I did not condition my hair before putting it on, and I put it on dry hair. (I did redo the purple the next day and I wore it for 7 hours before washing it out and it stuck MUCH better, but washed out to faded crap in a few days.) So maybe purple isn't for me? Even though I've had purple before. I decide that I like reds, and they usually fade out pretty well, I like the orange-y transition when the reds fade. So I decide I want to go with New Rose but my sally's doesn't carry it, and Red Passion is a close 2nd. So I snatch up my color and set out.
My hair is still in really good, pretty healthy shape. Its been almost a month since my purple fail and Ive taken good care of it since. So I bleach it again, it doesn't take much to get the purple out with 40 and quick white bleach. (pic2) I sit for 5 hours with Red Passion on my hair, I can see bits of yellowish hair in it as I prepare to wash it out- yet my hair was fully saturated when I wrapped it up to wait. I wash my hair out and seriously absolutely no bleeding on the WHITE towel I used to dry my hair, but when I look at my hair, and blow dry it... I have no idea where all the color went? Because there wasn't a huge stream of red washout in the shower, or tons of red suds when I shampooed it. So what gives? I am pretty ok with the fiery color I have ended up with, I'll rock it with pride- because you cant buy this color !! But I'm disheartened because WTF why wont this color stick to my hair?
I only wash my hair maybe twice a week, I don't use a ton of styling products, I don't use heat styling on my hair often. I just don't get it.
Thank you for reading, and thanks in advance for all replies!
by AndyaPosted 4 years, 7 months ago
Red molecules are a larger size than other molecules of different colors, at least that is one thing told to me about red semi-permanent dye. Perhaps the hair is again too porous and being a large molecule can not attach to the hair shaft. Kind of like trying to hang a coat on a hook pointed upside down. Also conditioner blocks the dye form effectively staining the hair. So always suggest do not use conditioner on the hair at least two days before dying the hair with a semi-permanent dye. Some products work better than other products on a persons hair. Everyone is slightly different though we are also slightly the same.
Rinsing out the dye with very cold water will help to keep the color. Warm to hot water helps to remove color. Suggest after washing rinse with very cold water and let the hair air dry indoors. This air drying will give time for the hair and scalp to absorb the moisture and help to close the cuticle. If the cuticle is too open, damaged hair, then the hair can not accept color.
Hope these cliff notes help. Some day I will write a book....lol.
by vivienne StaffPosted 4 years, 7 months ago
I think it's a combination of your cuticle being too damaged to absorb colour and the dyes you chose not being particularly pigmented. Given the grey-ish tone in your first photo, I think some of your hair wasn't light enough for Ultra Violet, which really requires pretty close to a platinum base. For Manic Panic, you're better off using something like Deep Purple Dream or a mix of Hot Hot Pink and Shocking Blue or Rockabilly Blue, which should have better lasting power. As for the red, Red Passion has always been pretty crap in my experience, both for coverage and longevity. Since your hair has been through three 40 vol processes at this point, you definitely need something stronger. Vampire Red is a really good choice.
At the point, I'd definitely avoid any more peroxide processes. If you want to switch colours, there are loads of ways to fade semi-permanent dye that don't do nearly as much irreversible damage as bleach. Check out the Articles sections for tips and also search for the bleach/shampoo/oils method on the forums.
Posted 4 years, 7 months ago
Thank you both for a quick reply! I definitely know better about conditioning beforehand and about cold water. But the air drying I hadn't heard before. I will definitely take that under consideration. And I have been lurking around here reading about lightening, color removal, and looking at other peoples questions and whatnot. I will read up on removing color vs trying to lighten with bleach just to get colors out.
I have used the Ultra Violet before, but that was probably 6 years ago, I reviewed my after pictures and its definitely much more ULTRA VIOLET in the older pic . But my hair was much more bleached/processed/damaged/dead. Because when I bleached the purple out to go blue is when I ultimately ruined my hair and got a cute new half pixie cut :( Either way, it was likely much lighter than it was this time. Because I didn't want to fry my hair.
But I have 0 experience with Red Passion. I looked at many pictures of the color before purchasing it (and I understand that is different peoples hair with varying degrees of lightening, and hair strength yadda yadda) But it just looked so darn pretty on everyone else!!! But hearing that it isnt as pigmented as other colors kind of makes sense.
Although my hair is not overly damaged, I am going to leave it alone, for at least a month. I mean at this point I could likely put a good deep red over this and it should cover just fine. But I kind of like it. I will either stick with my plan to do red, or I may go green. I have used Rock N Roll Red in the past and loved the shade, so If I go more red that is likely what I will try. Does vampire red tend to come out darker or more bright? But if I decide to go green, could anyone make a color recommendation? Not a neon green, a deeper green? I can no longer remember the name of the brand/color I used to use and loved so much in green. :(
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